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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 24, 2007 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Trolls

Trolls are very much like little children. Both are apt to make a lot of noise and throw tantrums because more than anything they crave attention. The greater the reaction the troll achieves the more it can comfort itself with the illusion of being in control.

Trolls and little children are utterly egocentric beings and can’t understand why their needs shouldn’t take precedence over those of everyone else. Limited to the confines of its inner world a troll can see no point of view but its own and is utterly without empathy. A troll is trapped in infantilism but deludes itself that it is smarter than everyone else.

Trolls and little children are completely selfish and have no concept of value or of sharing. They demand to be given things they don’t understand and poke and prod until they get bored and then toss them aside covered with their grubby, sticky finger marks.

And like little children, trolls become more interesting when they stop mewling and puking and soiling themselves and start to say something that shows intelligence and understanding.

Then again, sadly, some children, and some trolls, just stay retarded all their lives.

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Poster: lastcall Date: Sep 24, 2007 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

If your talking about your own children, well thats just sad. But the way you discribe children, it does'nt sound like you have had the pleasure of watching and raising children. They are precious, each and everyone. Truly sorry you have that hate in your heart and mind towards children. Best of luck to you.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 24, 2007 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Are you naturally stupid or do you take lessons?
Read the post. The point is that trolling is childish not that children are like trolls. Well not all of them anyway.

Hate in my heart towards children? Fuck off.

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Poster: lastcall Date: Sep 24, 2007 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Evidently you did'nt proof read your 1st post. Anyone who reads that and does'nt think you have a poor opinion of children, well thats just sad. If you re-read your post and do not think anything is "wrong" with your remarks about children perhaps you should be neutered. It really sound like that already has been taken care of.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 24, 2007 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Well, for a writer it must be hard when folks take you too literally. Of course children are egocentric, and selfish; the world does and must revolve around them from their perspective. To metaphorically refer to child-like behavior ("the innocence of babes") in no way implies a contempt for child-like traits; only a recognition that children are children and adults are adults (in general).

Of course, I understand that MS and LC have their hearts in the right place in the sense of elevating children to a proper place in our world, but having accepted that, it is reasonable to allow one literary license to make a point by repetitively enumerating the traits that in children can be tolerated, accepted, even admired, but that in adults can be annoying, irritating and even denigrated.

Damn--may have jeopardized that 'good guy' award MS had in mind...hope not.

Hang in there Rob. Help is on the way...

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 25, 2007 4:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

"it is reasonable to allow one literary license to make a point by repetitively enumerating the traits that in children can be tolerated, accepted, even admired, but that in adults can be annoying, irritating and even denigrated."

if so, what is to say the metaphor in question cannot also be correctly interpreted to imply tolerance, acceptance and admiration towards the behavior of trolls, while at the same time, the behavior of children is what is seen to be annoying, irritating and even denigrated?

furthermore, "Trolls and little children..." refers to each, both jointly and separately...clearly the author of the post in question has chosen to use tools that cut in both directions

as a parent, my experiences with children have been entirely different...i have found episodes of tantrums, utter egocentricity, utter non empathy, complete selfishness, non concept of value or of sharing, to be occasional exceptions, not continual absolutes...some people say i was just lucky...i say most children somehow manage to triumph in spite of all of the inadequacies of their parents

as for the complaints about the noise, grubby finger marks, mewling, puking and soiling?

WTF???

don't choose to be a parent or be around children if you can't handle it...besides, the vast majority of children in this world are far too pre-occupied with the excruciating pain of their own starvation to be concerned with interfering with our ever so precious feng shui

there is no need to involve children in the forum's petty little troll wars

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 25, 2007 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Well MS, you have strong feelings on the subject, and because I sense they are motivated from your strong love of children, I will cease and desist as I value our friendship--if we were face to face I imagine we could easily come to an understanding...I do think we have fundamentally similar positions on the issues of substance, and our only difference is in divining the heart and soul of Rob (ie, where he stands on this) and whether this writing effort of his belies something more to his makeup (your position) or not (mine).

Neither of us can really know; but thanks for responding to me, and hope we're cool.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Sep 25, 2007 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Although you seem to enjoy being prolific and thorough in you use of words, it is not universally appreciated. Some see prose and articulation as a positive trait, most others see over usage of language as a negative, gloating and elitist trait. When you need to say that the light is gree, don't say. "I detect blended frequencies if both blue and yellow waves of agitated electrons that converge at a point on that incandescant or sodium phosphorus illumination apparatus".

That would be like me writing intricate and complex musical pieces using farts, burps and retard noises... oh wait, bad example. A better example would be watching the "great train robbery" on a HD 5.1 surround system. The black and white, silent movie won't look any better. So let's ditch the reading glasses on the end of the nose, corncob pipe in red silk robe in front of the fireplace with dickens on the shelf persona, shall we?

Keep it real, touch hands and come out fighting.

ding ding

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 25, 2007 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Ouch. I take your point. But only because I am a half assed writer. How would Hunter have fared if he followed your advice? And of course, I ain't no Hunter, sadly.

Lets agree to disagree, shall we? Writing is good for your soul--so keep it up. I will; with or without my reading jacket, pipe and glasses...and, I can accept you don't like it, nor my style, nor...okay, so just stop reading it...

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 12, 2007 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: You are right, sorry

I was only explaining why someone was giving you a hard time, this must be what set the bad man off on me, my bad!

You friggin rule like shakespear's little irish coach mickey, cut him mickey.

Thanks good friend.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 25, 2007 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

hey William:

of course we're cool...there's no need to cease and desist at all...i try to consider any thoughtful comment from you or anyone else...i'm here for the intrigue...and i do thank you for the opportunity to talk this one through and look forward to anything you might add on this or any other subject

i'm still a little shell-shocked, but i'll get over it

cheers!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 25, 2007 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Hey you and me both! Not sure where it came from, but now I find out that Noise C thinks I am an aloof, overbearing pretentious writer in a smoking jacket! Jeeezzz--can't win for losing around here.

Hang in there!

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Poster: AutoReply Date: Sep 25, 2007 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

He's just jealous, because he is a talentless hack, while you can write coherently. Stick to your guns, and ignore fools like him. Carry on!

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Sep 25, 2007 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

William Tell is ok by me and I have lost more talent from high cannabanoid levels than you will ever... what was I saying?

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Sep 25, 2007 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Aloof.. Maloof. No, as a matter of fact some of the most prolific writers of all time started in this forum. Autoreply, you are but a gnat on our windshield.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 25, 2007 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm9pricDqSc

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Sep 25, 2007 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

http://www.archive.org/details/deadmandirewolffanclub

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 25, 2007 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Thanks guys...I thought no one would find this so deeply embedded, but that's probably because I am the nit wit you take me for when it comes to the web, etc.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Sep 25, 2007 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

You are a troll as far as the rest of us are concerned.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 25, 2007 6:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Thank you, NC. Coming from you I'll accept that as a compliment. But it still doesn't make you the Great Big Billy Goat Gruff.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 24, 2007 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

"...little children are utterly egocentric beings..."
"...little children are completely selfish..."

try including that in the preface of your next book and see where your career goes

come on rob, as much as i would like to believe otherwise, your post shows nothing but contempt for children...you didn't have one good thing to say about them

...i can't believe that you, of all people, you would write this :(

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 25, 2007 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

There's a guy who spends an inordinate amount of time in the Genesis and the Floyd groups who names himself Dr. Bukkake. This is the worst kind of troll. I don't really understand his motivation. In the same way as i don't really understand the motivation of our own special group of troublemakers.

What do these people hope to gain? It astounds me.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Sep 24, 2007 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

i strongly disagree

they shouln´t be viewed as children.trolls are fuckin´ dangerous idiots tryin´ to destroy this forum and the sense of community, comin from our shared love for the grateful dead music, that rules (or should rule) around here. now if they don´t get it that´s their problem, but they shouln´t show their ugly minds (if they have any) in this cyberspace

my message to all trolls: fuck off, get the fuck out of here and stay out, forever. THE END
____________________________________________________

meanwhile this 47 min playin´ will get us back on the right track
http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-05-21.sbd-patched.wier.22801.sbeok.shnf

peace

(~):-)


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 24, 2007 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

I believe you've missed the metaphorical point, but no matter. I said that trolls were *like* children - not that they *are* children. There's no presumption of innocence here.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Sep 24, 2007 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

I think you guys are taking this way to seriously. this is a forum right. So really the town crazy can come in any time he wants and actually really has since the beginning I mean when the Greeks or whoever decided to have such a place as a forum for open discussion what do you imagine happened there. I kinda bet it was much the same as here but just as the same as here the goofy ideas and stupidity get relatively no play and died out. I know this is going to sound weird but I just read the last couple exchanges between our local troll and William Tell and had a good laugh. Just remember this is a forum where all voices are heard but the ones responded and discoursed most do inevitably become the forefront of opinion to the people.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Sep 24, 2007 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

*like children* is normally used in connection with purity and innocence

doesn´t really matter, because it´s obvious now that basically we are saying the same thing, the only difference being that your version is much softer than mine


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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 24, 2007 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

"*like children* is normally used in connection with purity and innocence"

i agree with you fireeagle...children are wonderful, inspiring, imaginative, naturally happy...it's adults that fuck them up by projecting their hangups onto them

as for trolls? bluedevil has shown us one of the better responses, "as if i give a fuck"

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Poster: user unknown Date: Sep 24, 2007 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Anyone who will deny that little children are:
"...little children are utterly egocentric beings..."
"...little children are completely selfish..."
must not have children of their own.

As Tell stated: "Of course children are egocentric, and selfish; the world does and must revolve around them from their perspective. To metaphorically refer to child-like behavior ("the innocence of babes") in no way implies a contempt for child-like traits; only a recognition that children are children and adults are adults (in general)." I detected no malice in rob's staementments, only truth.

Yes, I have children(both grown now) and 1 grandchild. Is the grandson "selfish and ego-centric"? Absolutely! Does that mean I don't love the little rascal? Absolutely NOT! And, if YOU told me he was a selfish little troll you'd find yourself in a tussle with an over-fed long-haired leaping gnome.

So fellas, please cut the wordsmith a little slack. Hemeant no harm, and wasn't talking about YOUR childre specifically.

Peace to this house and to ALL who gather here.



This post was modified by user unknown on 2007-09-25 03:35:00

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Sep 25, 2007 2:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Trolls

Leave the kids alone and just get rid of those trolls along with their x rated postings. Somethings wrong, when a pervert can register using the names of several well known NFL players and deluge us with this kind of garbage...